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The gospel is not about the enforcement of the Christian position. We don't see the early Christians trying to stop Greco-Romans and Jews promoting their religion. They proclaimed their belief system inviting people to believe.Mark J. Keownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15790396917682891386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6374761658646185874.post-4578050892605307572012-07-23T22:27:48.315+12:002012-07-23T22:27:48.315+12:00Ok, suppose a similar program was initiated based ...Ok, suppose a similar program was initiated based on Islam. Would you be happy to have your children attend, even given an opt out provision?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15313032011142884927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6374761658646185874.post-37316261398440579852012-07-21T23:08:40.126+12:002012-07-21T23:08:40.126+12:00Quite apart from all the relevant comments already...Quite apart from all the relevant comments already made, part of a good education should at least familiarize young people with the story of the Bible and of Jesus Christ, as these stories have hugely influenced society in so many good and positive and important ways (e,g. law & justice, health care, respect for all, place of women , social services, knowledge and education -- yes, including science - so many great scientists have looked for order etc in the natural world because they knew there was a God of order behind it. etc etc). Christians who are most familiar with the Bible & with Jesus Christ are best placed to do the teaching.Dr Glennis Mafinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6374761658646185874.post-77424037974859882982012-07-21T10:48:12.894+12:002012-07-21T10:48:12.894+12:00Cheers Paul. I don't think morality is taught,...Cheers Paul. I don't think morality is taught, but there are values taught in the curriculum.Mark J. Keownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15790396917682891386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6374761658646185874.post-72029475878819777042012-07-19T15:45:39.534+12:002012-07-19T15:45:39.534+12:00Thanks for this blog post. I happened to watch tha...Thanks for this blog post. I happened to watch that portion of the breakfast show and heard that too and was dumbfounded that the Rev would say what he said. <br /><br />I know very little about the approach or curriculum of BIS so can't comment on it but I was wondering ... are "moral values" taught in school as part of the curriculum? <br /><br />And related to the above, if they are taught in school, I am curious as to what are considered universal moral values and how these values came to be agreed upon.<br /><br />Personally I find that it can be difficult to argue and justify moral values apart from some form of "religious framework".Paul Longhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01090793506050422565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6374761658646185874.post-70790913108545126172012-07-19T12:59:25.687+12:002012-07-19T12:59:25.687+12:00I like what you have to say Steve, that makes far ...I like what you have to say Steve, that makes far more sense approaching the BIS situation with a more lateral understanding, its also about being confident in the Gospel story and the knowledge that through diversity we can maintain a faith that seeks to connect with all facets of society howbeit religious, secular or cultural. <br />Our history in NZ shows us we have come from strong Christian foundations but they also show us we get it wrong at times, and these modern times in NZ seem to be as removed from Christianity as they are from the Treaty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6374761658646185874.post-34525527171107737132012-07-18T12:43:53.697+12:002012-07-18T12:43:53.697+12:00Hi Mark, I think the elephant in the room is wheth...Hi Mark, I think the elephant in the room is whether Bible in Schools is really more about 'evangelism in schools.' When I talk privately to BIS teachers, most all of them give away the fact that it is by sharing that their high point is in seeing Children come to faith. That is really great news. But I have to ask whether a school room is the best place. In the coming years, other faiths will also rightly ask for instruction opportunities in their faith traditions. While we might have an historical claim of Christianity in NZ, the reality is we are now on the margins with other faiths in a mainly secular and agnostic culture. <br /><br />My thoughts are that we should move to Religious Instruction in schools and start to build respect and recognition of other faiths. Some of the unbelievable rhetoric of recent around Zionism and Islam is massive testament to how religiously ignorant we are as a nation. To add another example I was with someone the other day who pointed to a Sikh complaining about all the Muslims in Auckland. Right now we need a whole lot of religious tolerance and understanding. I think BIS needs to think a bit laterally on this one and reformulate their approach, then partner with churches and ministries for Bible clubs or some such out of school. Steve Tollestrup - Evangelical and Liberal.Steve Tollestruphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00380162556108924347noreply@blogger.com