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Often error in biblica...An interesting discussion. Often error in biblical interpretation and teaching comes from taking a truth and extreming it. Rightly dividing the Scriptures ofen involves holding truths in balance. A right balance brings honour to God. Righteousness/judgement vs love/forgiveness must be viewed together in balance. The cross is where all these met together and God displayed His attributes of glory. The holiness of God and the love of God were both displayed at the cross. No one would ever imagined that God would judge sin in this way. Is God still a just judge? Yes of course. Is God still a loving father? Yes of course. Would God use an earthquake to judge a city? He could but it is presumption and self righteousness when we think we can decide God's judgement for others. Who do we think we are that we can decipher the judgements of God? The rain falls on the just and unjust. At times people of God suffer while others prosper. Anyway I agree just as the cross displayed the glory of God so does the person of Christ. There will be a second coming where all things will be consummated and the final judgements of God will be worked out. Until then because we are in a fallen broken world there will be earthquakes, wars and other disasters that happen to the just and unjust alike. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6374761658646185874.post-41988983142825163172016-11-19T18:17:06.959+13:002016-11-19T18:17:06.959+13:00Mark, bless you for righting the record - of God&#...Mark, bless you for righting the record - of God's love being primary over the world's judgement. This, surely, is what is meant by 'Gospel' Good: News for all.<br />There will always be false prophets - not unknowm in religious circles today. A fear-based message is not Gospel. It does all Christians good to remember the words of Jesus: "They will know you're my disciples by your love" - not by your capacity for judgement. We are ALL sinners - redeemed by Christ. Alleluia!<br /><br />Keep up the good work. Agape Father Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17062632692873621258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6374761658646185874.post-43245173505111772722016-11-19T17:46:38.216+13:002016-11-19T17:46:38.216+13:00EVERYBODY stop saying Shit..! Oh damn now you made...EVERYBODY stop saying Shit..! Oh damn now you made me say it ! Oh my Buddha !!<br />Dung ok Poos... borderline.. Stinky poos? well dunno... Didn't Jesus describe people as sheep ?? I wonder why that was...Signed..Steve Watson The dirty rotten filthy sinner... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6374761658646185874.post-90902209294492697132016-11-19T17:04:38.526+13:002016-11-19T17:04:38.526+13:00Hey Mate, Can you help me, I have a speck of dust ...Hey Mate, Can you help me, I have a speck of dust in my eye, can you help me get it out ? <br />Cheers Steve Watson, The dirty filthy rotten sinner ,,,me that is..!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6374761658646185874.post-41823859042790772702016-11-19T12:41:51.343+13:002016-11-19T12:41:51.343+13:00Sorry to have disappointed you with my attitude an...Sorry to have disappointed you with my attitude and tone. If the word used is offensive when quoting a very common phrase and for a theologically rhetorical argument, I presume Paul has also offended you. The writer of Eph 5 is also the writer of Phil 3, and like the prophets and Jesus, he on rare occasions uses a swear word to make a point. Paul urges us to 'imitate me.' I am doing this in the same vein. Why would my imitating Paul cause you concern? I am indeed being obedient to Scripture. If you read through my tens of thousands of words written on the blog, you will find very few if any other such swear words and only to make a similar point. So, while I am sorry you are disappointed, in that I am following the writer of 13 letters of the NT, I am intrigued by your offense. As a person who has studied at Laidlaw, I am a little surprised, considering the many instances in Scripture when far greater people than me said very offensive things--prophets, Jesus, and Paul. But, as I said, I am sorry to have not lived up to your expectations. Mark J. Keownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15790396917682891386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6374761658646185874.post-34311783886530688542016-11-19T12:26:55.471+13:002016-11-19T12:26:55.471+13:00As a person who is graduating from Laidlaw College...As a person who is graduating from Laidlaw College in 2 weeks time I find that your tone and attitude is lacking Mark. First of all, if you believe the word to be an acceptable word but your fellow brother in Christ does not, why would you proceed to use it 3 times in your next comment at the offense of your brother? Secondly, both Christians and those of the world recognise that word to be offensive and as Adam Marshall has stated the Bible tells us that we are not to use coarse language. If you think that the word is acceptable then why not continue a civil discussion with the person instead of ending your reply with "...if that is all that concerns you. Good luck with that."? Disappointing to say the least.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6374761658646185874.post-17704094488301153752016-11-19T12:03:17.787+13:002016-11-19T12:03:17.787+13:00Reminds me of the time that Tony Campolo got up an...Reminds me of the time that Tony Campolo got up and said, "I have three things I’d like to say today. First, while you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition. Second, most of you don’t give a shit. What’s worse is that you’re more upset with the fact that I said shit than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night." <br /><br />The context in which Paul said shit was parallel to this. He was repudiating the false theology of Judaizers who could not read the OT and had a deficient Christology. So, if is ok for Paul it is ok for me. Who cares about the flock being led into false teaching? All that matters is that we don't say 'dung.' I could bore you with other NT examples and the many examples of crass language used by the Prophets. Indeed, many. All rhetorical to make a more important point about the violation of God's word. But, hey, if that is all that concerns you. God luck with that.Mark J. Keownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15790396917682891386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6374761658646185874.post-90265911663168030142016-11-19T11:46:26.301+13:002016-11-19T11:46:26.301+13:00Hello Mark, thank you for your reply, I have done ...Hello Mark, thank you for your reply, I have done an extremely quick look at the word skybalon (σκυβαλα), I believe the word means "refuse (excrement/dung)" - it is used once in Phil 3:8 as you stated. I believe to take this as an example to use profanity/offensive language is misguided and wrong - for this word to be used as an example, there would need to be more occurrences of Paul and others using this word - there aren't any. <br /><br />Moreover, Paul teaches against this:<br />Ephesians 5:4, Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. <br /><br />He also teaches against offending your brother 1 Corinthians 8:13<br /><br />Paul would be a hypocrite if he indeed as suggesting it is ok to use words such as you have done in Phil 3:8,<br /><br />We are in the world, but not of it.<br /><br />We are supposed to becoming more and more like Christ everyday, I do not believe using language like that is doing this, would Christ speak as such?<br /><br />As fellow Christians, we are also supposed to sharpen each other.<br /><br /><br />In reply to Anonymous - You have the first two commands in the correct order, but see my above reply to Mark in response to your 3rd.Adam Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09644823074019103872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6374761658646185874.post-14820429268223846272016-11-19T10:41:12.778+13:002016-11-19T10:41:12.778+13:00Passion is good. 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You will find that Paul uses the same word in Greek. <br />Cheers. Mark.Mark J. Keownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15790396917682891386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6374761658646185874.post-14002946037943073842016-11-19T10:00:30.593+13:002016-11-19T10:00:30.593+13:00Well said Bob Sinclair. I too dont agree with ever...Well said Bob Sinclair. I too dont agree with everything Brian Tamaki says but one thing I want to say is, he is BOLD, and does it not say in the bible...Be BOLD for I am with you says the Lord!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6374761658646185874.post-8597529538752584662016-11-19T09:13:17.627+13:002016-11-19T09:13:17.627+13:001. Love the Lord with all your heart.
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